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That watermelon carving is pretty cool. So is the music.

 

That same artist did a pumpkin carving of the white walker.  Which is also cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQi2zMH0NB4

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Ozzy Man Reviews: Game of Thrones - Season 6 Episode 9

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A New Hope for the realm

 

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Last night (Thursday) on Late Night With Seth Meyers, LMAO.

 

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Wildfyre is always cool.  Too bad Margaery had to get caught in it.  Poor Tommen, mommy might've been why you took that step.  

Olenna & that snake lady gonna do some stuff, hmmm.  Fire & Blood, does that mean that Tyrell, Martell, Greyjoy & Dany will do a four way?  Varys showing up there in Dorne made for an interesting twist.  I almost forgot about him.  How the hell does he get back to the boat at the end so fast?  Does that tricky freak have a twin? 

 

Wow, Davros went off on Melisandre & Jon was like, red lady, you better ride south before I let my guy have his vengence.

 

Arya...hell yeah, that was kickass, a lovely surprise.

 

Tyrion getting that hand of the queen pin was quite fitting.

 

Did Sansa flip the script on LIttle Finger at the tree? 

Little Lady Mormont shamed those bums, "you refused the call.  The North Remembers, we know no King but the King in the North whose name is Stark.  I don't care if he's a bastard, Ned Starks blood runs in his veins.  He's my king from this day till his last day."  King In The North, damn straight.

The ending was perfect.  Dragons & horses going on a boat trip.  It won't be easy to make the wait.
 

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Found this cool article today about how the TV show differs from the books.  Not to be read by those that don't want to know some "spoiler type" stuff that hasn't been hinted at in the show.

 

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/28/12030458/winds-of-winter-release-date-spoilers-chapters

 

The Winds Of Winter, explained: what we know about the next Game Of Thrones book.
Updated by Andrew Prokop on June 28, 2016, 9:00 a.m. ET @awprokop

 

 

Now that we face many long months without a new Game of Thrones episode, it’s time to return to that eternal question — when is the next book in George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire series coming out?

Fans have been anxiously waiting for Martin to complete The Winds of Winter, which has the same title as the TV show’s season six finale, for nearly five years now. And so far, they’ve been waiting in vain — there’s currently no release date for the book, and Martin says there will only be a date once he’s finished writing it.

Indeed, Martin’s progress has been so slow that HBO has filmed and completed five full seasons of Game of Thrones since the last book came out in July 2011 — meaning that the show has zoomed past Martin in his own story and revealed several major twists that the author has been planning for years, if not decades. (However, since the showrunners have also made big changes to the source material, much of what we’re seeing may not be book spoilers at all.)

One small consolation to fans, though, is that what probably amounts to about one-seventh of The Winds of Winter has already been released, bit by bit. Martin has released the full text of seven chapters at this point, and read another four aloud at various events.

So here’s a guide to the latest information on the release date, why it’s taking Martin so long to finish writing, which chapters the author has already released (and where to find them), and how much of the book the show seems to have already "spoiled."

1) How far along is George R.R. Martin in writing The Winds of Winter?

Martin gave his last substantive update on his progress in January 2016, in the form of a lengthy, self-flagellating blog post revealing that he wasn’t done or even close to done.

In the post, Martin wrote that he had "a lot [of the book] written. Hundreds of pages. Dozens of chapters." But he added that he was still "months away" from finishing, "and that’s if the writing goes well."

Since then, more than five and a half months has passed without any further substantive updates, other than a clarification in May that the book is still not done. And so we wait.

2) Why has Martin taken so long to write The Winds of Winter?

Martin himself is the only one who can say, and in his telling, his biggest problem is that he has been struggling with the writing itself.

"You can blame my travels or my blog posts or the distractions of other projects and [his movie theater] the Cocteau and whatever, maybe all that had an impact," Martin wrote in that January 2016 blog post. "You can blame my age, and maybe that had an impact too." But, he continued, "If truth be told, sometimes the writing goes well and sometimes it doesn't."

Indeed, to rebut accusations that he’s lost interest in the series, Martin wrote that he was desperate to get The Winds of Winter out before this spring, when the sixth season of the HBO series was to premiere, and set several deadlines to that effect. "Unfortunately, the writing did not go as fast or as well as I would have liked," he continued. "As the suspicion grew that I would not make it after all, a gloom set in, and I found myself struggling even more. The fewer the days, the greater the stress, and the slower the pace of my writing became."

It’s worth noting that this slowness is nothing new for him. He finished the first three books in the series relatively quickly, but then took five years to write book four (A Feast for Crows) and nearly six years to write book five (A Dance With Dragons).

I think it’s also noteworthy that Martin’s writing style seemed to change around that time. The first three books were taut, fast-paced thrillers, but beginning with A Feast for Crows, the pace of the main story slowed down notably. Martin added a plethora of new point-of-view characters and subplots, and seemed to grow more interested in cerebral, complex explorations of themes like the difficulty of governance and the aftermath of war.

Some readers love this new style and others find it dull, but whatever's the case, it may well be slowing down Martin's writing, as he now seems less interested in simply getting from Point A of the plot to Point B efficiently, and more obsessed with perfecting (in his mind) the work that it's now clear he'll be remembered for.

 

3) But wait, aren’t there some chapters from The Winds of Winter floating around out there on the internet?

Indeed, there are! Martin has officially released the full text of seven completed chapters from the book. Plus, he’s read another four chapters aloud at conventions — and those chapter contents have been dutifully summarized and posted on the internet by fans who attended those events.

We don’t know what order these chapters will be in in the final book — and the book will begin with a prologue that Martin hasn't yet released — but if you want to devour the full-text versions right now, here’s where to find them:
~Theon Greyjoy
~Arya Stark ("Mercy")

~Sansa Stark ("Alayne")
~Arianne Martell (first chapter)
~Arianne Martell (second chapter)
~Barristan Selmy: Released in the US paperback version of A Dance With Dragons
~Tyrion Lannister: Available for free in the World of Ice and Fire app on iTunes or Google Play

The other chapters that Martin has read aloud at events, but not officially released the full text for, are:

~Another Tyrion Lannister chapter, summarized here
~Another Barristan Selmy chapter, summarized here
~A Victarion Greyjoy chapter — there’s a video of that reading here
~And an Aeron "Damphair" Greyjoy chapter titled "The Forsaken," summarized here

Since Martin’s longest book in the series so far contains 82 chapters, the fact that we’ve already seen 11 from Winds means that probably about a seventh of the book is already publicly available in some form.

4) Wow, I want to read all these! But it’s been years since I’ve read A Dance With Dragons. Can you remind me how things left off, in comparison with the show?

Sure — here’s where the major characters and storylines were at the conclusion of A Dance With Dragons:

Jon Snow has just been repeatedly stabbed by his own Night’s Watch brothers after vowing to march south with an army of wildlings to fight Ramsay Bolton, and his fate is unclear. Melisandre, Stannis’s wife Selyse, and his daughter Shireen are all alive and still at the Wall, never having ridden south with Stannis’s army.

Stannis Baratheon is preparing for battle against Roose and Ramsay Bolton near Bolton-held Winterfell. Theon Greyjoy just escaped the Boltons’ abuse alongside Ramsay’s bride — who isn’t Sansa but instead a Northern girl named Jeyne Poole being passed off as "Arya Stark." These fugitives are now in Stannis’s camp alongside Theon’s sister, Asha Greyjoy. Also, several Northern lords ostensibly in the Boltons’ camp are plotting against them. One, Lord Wyman Manderly, has sent Davos Seaworth on a mission to go find the long-missing Rickon Stark and bring him out of hiding.

Bran Stark traveled north of the Wall to the cave of the Children of the Forest and the three-eyed crow, and was last seen exploring his magical powers — skinchanging into animals, speaking through trees, and seeing visions of the past. Hodor and Summer remain alive and well, as does Jojen Reed ... or does he? The White Walkers themselves, meanwhile, have not been seen on the page since book three.

Sansa Stark remains safe — well, relatively — in the Vale with Littlefinger, but since there’s still a royal warrant out for her head, she’s posing as his bastard daughter "Alayne Stone." Littlefinger has increasingly gained influence over the Vale, and is plotting to marry Sansa not to Ramsay Bolton but to "Harry the Heir," a strapping young lad who would become Lord of the Vale should anything unfortunate befall the young and sickly Robert Arryn. Littlefinger has also suggested that he plans to restore Sansa to power in the North.

Arya Stark remains in assassin training with the Faceless Men of Braavos, having just carried out her first successful assassination for them.

Jaime Lannister has been estranged from his sister Cersei since discovering that she had had affairs with other men. After retaking Riverrun, he was unexpectedly reunited with Brienne of Tarth, who claimed to have finally found the long-missing Sansa Stark. But this is a lie — Brienne instead appears to be unwillingly leading Jaime into a trap set by Lady Stoneheart, the resurrected Catelyn Stark. Stoneheart is now leading the Brotherhood Without Banners and is hell-bent on revenge against the Lannisters and Freys for the Red Wedding, and she holds two of Brienne’s friends hostage. (Stoneheart has yet to appear on the TV show, and almost certainly will not, at this point.)

Cersei Lannister has just been subjected to her "walk of atonement" and is now sidelined from power in King’s Landing and awaiting trial by the Faith (though she has the undead Gregor Clegane to protect her). Margaery Tyrell is also awaiting trial in the capital, but the Tyrell army has occupied the city to try to ensure her acquittal. Her brother Loras (never arrested by the Faith) is said to have been badly burned in battle.

King Tommen is still on the throne, but he’s much younger and not at all an independent actor in the books. Cersei’s uncle Kevan Lannister had really been running the show in King’s Landing, but at the conclusion of the fifth book, he was murdered by Varys, who announced that he hoped to deliver the Iron Throne to...

Aegon Targaryen! Wait, who’s that? Well, if you’ll recall, back during the rebellion, Dany’s late older brother Rhaegar had two young children who were murdered by the Lannisters — or so we thought. Varys is now claiming that he, in fact, managed to spirit baby Aegon to safety and has had him raised and educated in secret, so he could be prepared to take over Westeros. Aegon is backed by a formidable group of mercenaries called the Golden Company, and even though he was supposed to travel east and ally with Daenerys, he instead decided to turn west and invade Westeros without her. There is much fan debate about whether Aegon truly is who he claims to be, and this storyline, which was cut completely from the show, looks to be a major part of The Winds of Winter.

In Dorne, Prince Doran Martell had a secret plan to ally with Daenerys Targaryen against the Lannisters, and sent his son Quentyn to propose marriage to her — but his plan went awry when Quentyn died in Meereen. So Doran and his daughter Arianne Martell (another character cut from the show) must now decide whether to ally with Aegon instead. Meanwhile, some of the Sand Snakes are on their way to King’s Landing alongside Cersei’s daughter Princess Myrcella (who is alive but had her face badly scarred in an assassination attempt).

Euron Greyjoy won the kingsmoot and was named king of the Iron Islands, and he has big ambitions to marry Daenerys and use her dragons to conquer Westeros. But first he and his ironborn are pillaging the Tyrells’ kingdom, the Reach — and they’re threatening to take over Oldtown, the city where Samwell Tarly has just arrived to begin his training as a maester. The Faceless Man Jaqen H’ghar has also infiltrated the maesters’ headquarters, for reasons unknown.

Daenerys Targaryen, after having flown away from Meereen on dragonback, is somewhere in the plains far away from the city. She has just been discovered by a group of Dothraki, but unlike on the TV show, this encounter takes place while she’s standing proudly beside her dragon, so she may not end up in their captivity.

Barristan Selmy is alive and well and trying his best to run the city of Meereen, which is besieged by the slave masters, in Dany’s absence. Meanwhile, Euron Greyjoy’s vicious but simple brother Victarion Greyjoy is sailing toward Meereen with the Iron Fleet, hoping to spoil Euron’s plans by claiming Dany for himself. He has in his possession a magical horn given to him by Euron that can supposedly control dragons.

As for Tyrion Lannister, he's currently in the camp of the slave masters who are besieging Meereen, but he recently escaped bondage by making a deal with a mercenary company, the Second Sons. Tyrion’s companions at this point are Jorah Mormont (who does not have greyscale) and a female dwarf named Penny. Tyrion hasn’t actually managed to meet Dany yet, and he’s currently trying to convince the Second Sons to defect and fight with Dany's forces during the upcoming Battle of Meereen.

5) How much of The Winds of Winter has the HBO series spoiled?

It’s difficult to say. We know that Martin has told showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss in some detail about his plans for the major characters and the ultimate ending he had in mind for the series.

And indeed, Benioff and Weiss have confirmed that certain twists in recent seasons of the show — like Shireen Baratheon’s death by burning and Hodor’s origin story — came directly from Martin. Jon Snow’s resurrection and true parentage are likely in this category too.

However, there are three caveats here. First, the context and specifics of how these twists happen in the book may be different. For instance, Martin reportedly said at a recent event that the big Hodor reveal will happen in a different way in the books.

Second, Martin may not have solid plans for many characters and storylines at this point. He does make up a lot as he goes along, and Benioff and Weiss have confirmed that when he told them about his future plans for the series, he left certain storylines "more open" than others. So for some characters, the showrunners could well be making things up for themselves, in the absence of a detailed plan from Martin. (Benioff and Weiss said in an interview with Deadline that they were really making things up from scratch this season "other than a few key things.")

Finally, Benioff and Weiss have already made a great many changes to the plot of the novels. They’ve dropped some seemingly important subplots and characters (like Aegon Targaryen and Lady Stoneheart) entirely, and condensed others. So it’s possible that Martin has told Benioff and Weiss of his plans for some storylines, but that they’ve decided to take their own tale in a different direction.

Furthermore, nearly all of the chapters that have been released from The Winds of Winter are wildly different from anything we’ve seen on the show to date. The Battle of Meereen, for instance, was dispensed with in about 15 minutes on the TV show, but there are already five sample chapters of Winds devoted to it, with very different characters taking key roles. If all you care about is who wins the battle, well, the show probably spoiled that fact (not that the outcome was seriously in question here). But practically every detail of how it will play out in the books will likely be new.

So even though some of Martin’s biggest twists may have lost a bit of surprise by the time we finally see them on the page, I’m looking forward to reading them regardless — and hopefully we’ll have the chance to do so someday soon. Or ever.

 

 

The big take away from this article is that the S6 finale seriously departed from the main storyline.  This was suggested by Martin in an interview where he said that the show runners will do their thing & he will do his (when it comes to the books).  This will be even more significant in the shortened S7/S8 which is said to be "the final act."  So there's absolutely no way that Martin & the show runners can be even close together on some individual plotlines.  Wayyy too much to cover in a short amount of time, so some things will have to be cut.  That said, it will be interesting to see how far ahead the show gets from the books.

 

...and just to be clear, R + L = J

 

The Stark blood isn't Ned's, it's Lyanna's.  The chick that died in Ned's arms in the Tower Of Joy was his sister, not his mistress.  55:36 she calls him big brother.  And I suspect that Ned wasn't doing like Jaime was, banging his sister.

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HBO just released this.

 

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I never looked at any episodes at the start of this show. It was recommended to me just a couple of weeks ago and I watched the first few episodes of season 1 and was HOOKED.

I am now busy D/L'ing all episodes from all 6 seasons.

 

It is good when there is nothing worth watching on TV knowing that I have a good D/L'ed show to watch :)

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Welcome to the club fella.  What took you so long?  :giggle:

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What took you so long?  :giggle:

I really don't have an answer to that. I must have had a 6 season long Brain Fart.

 

Anyway, I finally got on board and have lots of episodes to savor.

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I envy you Harrier, I would love to have 60 new episodes of GoT to watch.

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A good theory for Season 7

 

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I'll take the three dragons over 10,000 ships,all the ships would do is make it easier and quicker to burn them.As for the plot point,he is the reason Dani ended up with enough ships for the journey.

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@Hitme, that reddit you sourced was cool.  I'd completely forgotten about "dragonbinder."  Definately adds a new wrinkle. 

 

@Harrier, YOU fella, have a lot to look forward to, have a great time.  Don't worry about the current confusion, it only gets worse, snickers as he ambles off.

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@Harrier, YOU fella, have a lot to look forward to, have a great time.  Don't worry about the current confusion, it only gets worse, snickers as he ambles off.

Yep, I already gathered that the confusion will persist. hahaha.... I guess that is what keeps us wanting more of the show.

And YES, I have a lot to look forward to..... can't wait.

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Can't wait to see new season. I love this tv show. 

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got!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! quicksilverscreen to the death....walk the plank maties. argggh

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Game of Thrones Season 7 Trailer New Version

 

Season 7 trailer

 

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S07E01... What'd y'all think? Reminded me of last season where they started off with a real slow stage setting mode, catching up with everyone and ramping up very slowly over episodes...  Was hoping it would start off more of a roller coaster since only seven episodes this year. I get that it's a challenge though with all the pieces in play. The first Samwell scene was funny.

 

Oh and the dragonbinder notes above are interesting indeed. On one hand seems like they might've already leaked something into the show about it if he was going to have it, but on the other a huge reveal at the right time, so that it is his sneaky move to get to the throne through marriage then establish himself clearly as top dog by pulling that out of his bag.

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Very strong season opener.loved lil Arya . I'm very pleased at the direction they're pointing the Hound.

Is it just me or is The Kalissi getting even MORE beautiful as she grows older? Seriously got to 54:07 and watch her expression like she's getting the best nut she could hope for.

I just hope this ain't the last season.

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@Tim - Somewhere I read that S8 will be the last.

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Wow, Arya, when last we saw her she had done in Walder Frey.  Now we find she's gone a bit further, heh heh.

A giant white walker, eeek.

WTF, was that Ed Sheeran singing with the group that Arya met?  Unbelievable.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jul/17/ed-sheeran-game-of-thrones-dud-cameo-he-came-he-sang-he-ate-rabbit

Has Clegane found religion?  Seems he had a vision in the fire.  Or maybe it was his guilt over staying in the house of the two he killed.

Jorah Mormont in the Citadel sure gave poor Sam a fright.  How'd he get there?

Cool dragon heads at the gates to Dragonstone.  I wonder if she knows that there's a cache of dragon glass there?
 

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Oh Arya we hardly knew yeee HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

BY GOD that WAS Sheeran,I thought I recognized him/Cool beans.

 

The Hound,even tho The Hound acted like a complete raging lunatic asshole but wanted him to quit being a bitch and man the fuck up. After facing that fire and that dead man and daughter it seemed something clicked in him.

Poor Jorah. I'm hoping to see more of that story line.

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